What type of livewell pump do I need?

Rumford Grady

GreatGrady Captain
Joined
Sep 10, 2009
Messages
17
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Location
Rumford, Rhode Island
OK, Great Grady'ers, I need your help as I am getting desperate. I have a new to me '96 Sailfish 272 that I bought last fall. When I purchased the boat there was no livewell pump motor installed, just the "base" which is fastened to the thru hull fitting. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out what livewell pump motor/manufacturer I need to get my livewell running. I used an inspection mirror to try and read any manuf data on the base; however, there was no information. I also tried to remove the base, but could not get it off the thru hull fitting. I emailed Grady White, but never received a response.

I've tried a RULE, a JOHNSON, and a SHURFLO BAIT SENTRY cartridge motor to no avail. From looking online it appears it is not an ATWOOD either. Any help is certainly appreciated.
 

gradywhite248

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 6, 2014
Messages
182
Reaction score
0
Points
16
I use the RULE pumps they do fail. But if you call them they will send you a new one? Three year warranty
 

HBSteve

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 30, 2013
Messages
88
Reaction score
0
Points
0
I think the original pump screwed directly on top of the seacock. Thats how ours was anyhow. We mounted a Jabsco Cyclone on the bulkhead. Its quiet, smooth, and is off the seacock. No issues in 2+ years. Great pump.
 

Sharkbait282

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 29, 2015
Messages
115
Reaction score
8
Points
18
Age
43
Location
Newport, RI
HBSteve, I've also acquired the jabsco cyclone, which has a stainless pump housing and 3/4 NPT input and outputs. Looking forward to having a better arrangement than the OEM mounted plastic pump, will be installing this summer.

Did you run new hosing to your live well, or did you find 3/4 NPT to 1 1/8" hose adapter? Our boat is a 2002 and it looks like the installed hose from the pump to the live well is 1 1/8", which is a pretty odd size for fittings.

Bob.
 

HBSteve

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 30, 2013
Messages
88
Reaction score
0
Points
0
We ran a new hose from the seacock to the pump then adapted from the pump to the existing hose that ran to the livewell. The existing hose looked fine and I can't imagine the job of trying to get a new hose to the livewell. We mounted the pump on the bulkhead forward of the seacock. It's worked great. Fairly easy install too. You'll really like it.
 

Sharkbait282

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 29, 2015
Messages
115
Reaction score
8
Points
18
Age
43
Location
Newport, RI
So here's the full-photo, no holds barred, my BS opinion follow up to this thread, probably relevant to bait tank conversion considered for any 265, 282, or larger Grady Model

Pump is Jabsco 50840 Low Pressure 12volt pump (can be had just about any marine retailer or online)
Around 1ft of 1 1/8" wire reinforced wet exhaust grade tubing
3x 3/4NPT to 1 1/8" hose adapters (this is a weird size, I couldn't find bronze, but found plastic via MarineEast.com)
6x 316 stainless hose clamps (good opportunity to go from single factory clamps to doubled up, don't re-use the old clamps)
various electrical connections (adhesive lined shrink tube style preferred)
In the 282 variety, 30ft of 10ga orange and 30ft of 10ga black tinned wire

You'll need to bulkhead mount it because the pump is a beast (heavy)
In a 282 you'll have to rotate the pump housing so the out put is pointing in the right direction
And then because of rotating the pump housing you'll need a mounting plate to offset the pump from the bulkhead
The factory fuse and wiring are too small, so you'll need to pull new 10ga wire and ground (don't attempt to break into the factory wiring bundle)
Pull a string first, and then when you pull your new wire through, pull a new string and leave it there with the ends neatly in a convenient spot at the end of the rigging trunk

You're going to be doing bilge yoga for a good while, and your camera (or phone) should be used liberally to track what goes where
 

Attachments

  • IMG_1931.jpg
    IMG_1931.jpg
    140.9 KB · Views: 2,304
  • IMG_1947.jpg
    IMG_1947.jpg
    125.4 KB · Views: 2,301
  • IMG_1986.jpg
    IMG_1986.jpg
    143.7 KB · Views: 2,298
  • IMG_1991.jpg
    IMG_1991.jpg
    149 KB · Views: 2,298
  • IMG_1992.jpg
    IMG_1992.jpg
    125.3 KB · Views: 2,298
  • IMG_1993.jpg
    IMG_1993.jpg
    84.7 KB · Views: 2,296
  • IMG_1994.jpg
    IMG_1994.jpg
    137 KB · Views: 2,298
  • IMG_1995.jpg
    IMG_1995.jpg
    117 KB · Views: 2,309

DennisG01

GreatGrady Captain
Joined
Sep 1, 2013
Messages
6,864
Reaction score
1,218
Points
113
Location
Allentown, PA & Friendship, ME
Model
Offshore
Shark, that's SO MUCH better than having the pump attached directly to the seacock. Honestly, I never understood why that was done to begin with. It's a much safer/secure installation having the pump on a bulkhead.

Rumford... take note to where Shark said "fiber reinforced" plastic fitting. Use ONLY bronze or fiber-reinforced plastic (such as Forepsar Marelon). DO NOT be tempted to save a few bucks and use PVC - don't use SS, either.
 

freddy063

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2007
Messages
566
Reaction score
31
Points
28
Location
Maine
wouldn't you want the hose to go up past the water line on the outside of the boat to stop any siphoning action? My hose comes out of the seacock up and down onto the pump, stops the flow it theirs a leak.
 

Sharkbait282

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 29, 2015
Messages
115
Reaction score
8
Points
18
Age
43
Location
Newport, RI
Freddy I have to admit I don't know enough about boat plumbing to fully grasp what you're saying about siphoning.

On the 282, both the raw water wash down pump and livewell pump are fed by high speed teardrop strainers on the bottom of the boat . . . aka they're basically ram-fed if the boat is moving forward. Enough so that if the seacock is open for the livewell (oem or my setup), the livewell will try to fill itself with water.

Back to what I don't know . . . All I know is that the Grady factory setup for the washdown pump seems to work fine, so I've nearly copied that arrangement for the livewell pump. I did go with the biggest hoses I could find adapters for, and I'll let everyone know how that plays out once the boat is launched in April.