Test drove a gulfstream today - carumba

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I was a bit surprised at the outcome. No swells, for I was inland in the puget sound, but close spaced wind waves were two to three feet and occasional 4 according to the weather service. Headed directly into them and expected to cut through them like a knife through hot butter. But instead I felt like I was going to get launched at any second. Tried 4000 to 5000 rpm and 20 to 28 knots and adjusting trim angle, but nothing I did made it cut through. We didn’t pound, but we were on the edge of pound and it was extremely uncomfortable. I was worried my gf was going to get rag dolled in the helm area so I cut it short.

I am not familiar with the boat, so it’s quite likely I did something or everything incorrectly, but the impression I got was that this boat would beat the snot out of me in head seas. It has me rethinking a gulfstream. Would an islander have cut through or been similar?
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I think your expectations are unrealistic. If you were in true 3-4' close spaced waves at 20+ knots, it is gonna be sloppy, that would be a tough slog in my 330 - from a comfort perspective anyway.
 
As posted above - true 3-4s is going to be sloppy in most boats under 35ft. In true 3-4s, my Regulator has the tabs down and I am probably running 24-26kts, and there will be an occasional *bang*.
 
"two to three feet and occasional 4 according to the weather service."..........I believe those are average wave heights.

A typical kitchen counter is about 36" off the floor. add another foot in it's pretty damn tall...plus you have the wave period, direction, shape...

This past Saturday, our 17 mile trip home (from Boston, MA to Gloucester, MA) was in probably 3 - 4s (short period) with a 6' swell (medium period) and wind blown chop.

We (five adults) were heading mostly East against an NE wind and outgoing tide (so the tide was kinda-sorta against the wind). It was sloppy and I was only able to run at about 34 MPH (engines trimmed fully down and trim tabs at six bars down; a lot of tab for my boat). I wouldn't say the ride was overly rough, but it definately wasn't super smooth.

I would say my 306 Canyon is significantly bigger and heavier than the 23' Gulfstream. Honestly, I think you wer expecting too much from the boat in the conditions you described. IMO the issue is the length of the boat just can't span the waves/periods.
 
Tabs down definitely helps a lot in rough water, especially into a headwind, but probably not while pushing 28 into closely spaced 3's and 4's. You have to be realistic. 23ft, even if fat and heavy, will only go so far. You may need a bigger boat :-) $$$
 
Myself also being a Puget Sound guy, I have a few opinions on the matter. My parents and I have a beach cabin on the south end of Whidbey Island. Of which I've got a 2004 GW 228 Seafarer and she does just fine in the 1'-2' chop. I've thought about "upgrading" to a slightly larger boat like a 232 Gulfstream, but the majority of what I do is trolling for salmon, checking crab pots and so forth. I've got a mooring buoy out in front of our beach cabin, to where most of the time I'll paddle out in my kayak or dinghy, climb in, start up the boat, unhook the boat from the buoy, hook up the kayak to the buoy and then literally start trolling for salmon from there. I do cruise in the boat, though it's usually weather/wind permitting, kind of like everything else. Last weekend we were up at the cabin and the winds were at gusts close to 30 mph, and even if the fishing was open, I wouldn't be out there in those conditions especially by myself because it just wouldn't be a lot of fun. I realize that most people don't do the kind of fishing/boating that we do out here in the Puget Sound and that most don't likely have a mooring buoy.

That being said, there are dozens of boat ramps in the area to where even if the weather/wind was quite bad and you still wanted to go out fishing/cruising, there's likely a ramp that's quite close by to where you could launch the boat there instead of motoring the entire way. My neighbor has a 2005 GW 270 Islander, of which it is imo just too big, and I think he would say the same thing as he's selling the boat and going with something smaller/different. I think you need to ask yourself what your primary goals are with the boat, what you're going to use it for the majority of the time, etc? With the Puget Sound being quite well protected, we don't usually get a ton of bad weather, although we do get random days here and there like we did last Saturday. But as mentioned with my neighbor's boat, I'm thinking anything above the 232 Gulfstream would likely be a bit overkill out here. And as others have mentioned, even 30'+ boats are going to have their limitations to them. I'm of the opinion that if you're out in a 30'+ boat and are getting the snot kicked out of you, why are you out in the first place? That doesn't sound like it's going to be much fun. The same goes for a 232 Gulfstream in that some days are better for just staying ashore and not going out, as the elements aren't going to make the experience very fun. I'd give the 232 Gulfstream another try and see if it's like what you alluded to, to where if it was actually the boat giving you issues, or yourself just not being very familiar with the boat.
 
Fellas, I said 2-3 foot seas with an occasional 4 in my post above but somehow 2-3 became 3-4 foot seas through the replies. Can we please rewind. I would like to know if a Gulfstream is capable of blasting through 2-3 foot chop without pounding? It didn't feel like it, although it could have been my unfamiliarity with the boat and getting the trim speed combination right. I am not here to bash the Gulfstream. I am expressing my surprise that 2-3 foot seas were uncomfortable in the Gulfstream, for I expected that big heavy boat to cut through 2-3' chop and it didn't. Should it have?
And back to my original question, would an islander have been noticeably better or the same? Is the variable deadrise of the SeaV2 always going to be a factor regardless of length? Wondering if a deep V all the way to transom would be a better fit of my needs. I intend to be out in way bigger slop than yesterday. Thanks !
 
The hull is the SeaV hul, era. so it should handle 2-3 footers but speed and trim and tabs are all factors that you need to experiment with it. It is a very capable boat , however, it is a 23 footer and it will take a certain amount of pounding in 3 foot seas.
 
actual (not average) 2-3s should be managable, but the issue is that the waves won't be limited to 2-3s. You have to plan for building seas, etc.