285 Freedom on a 10,000lb lift... any issues?

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Anyone have a 285 Freedom or similar on a 10,000lb lift? The wet weight of the 285 is around 9,400lbs. If the advertised capacity of the lift is 10K, then it's probably fine up to around 11-12K. Just curious if anyone is in this situation.
 
Your assumption that the lift can hold 11-12 k may be misguided. Of course the actual breaking strength will be greater than 11k, the limit is for new lift components. As the parts age and wear, the actual capacity lowers. For the designed lifespan, that degradation in theory doesn't exceed the safety margin between rated max load and the always decreasing actual capacity.
Overloading the lift is not a good idea. Upgrading an existing lift may be an option. Sometimes just the cables and rollers have to be swapped. You should contact the manufacturer for suggestions.
 
Here’s the specs on Hi Tide lifts. I had one of their gear drive 12,000 lb lifts. Compare their 9,000 and 12,000 structural component sizing to your lift.IMG_1525.png
 
Do you already have a lift and are wondering if it will be up to the task at hand of lifting your new boat? Or are you looking at buying a new lift and trying to determine which size you need? If the the former, then I'd imagine a lift with a 10k lb capacity would be able to lift up the test boat just fine on the Grady White website that had a 9,400 lb weight to it. That weight also includes "persons, fuel, water, gear, engines & accessories", so I imagine you'd likely be able to subtract several hundred pounds for those things. So maybe around 9k lbs even or so without those things? On the other hand, I imagine that test boat likely had very little fuel onboard, probably less than 25 gallons or so, in order for it to get the best fuel economy numbers possible. With the 285 Freedom having a 214 gallon fuel tank, when it's full you could be looking at another 180-200+ gallons compared to the test boat, of which a gallon of fuel weighs 6 lbs per gallon. So, that could add another 1k+ lbs right there by itself. The test boat also didn't have items like a bow pulpit, bottom paint and so forth that are only going to add to the weight of the boat and have it go up from there. If you're considering the latter and which boat lift to buy, I definitely wouldn't spend what I imagine must be $250k-$300k+ on a boat, to then go cheap and try to save what I imagine is likely less than $5k-$10k or so with getting the cheaper/light capacity boat lift?
 
Do you already have a lift and are wondering if it will be up to the task at hand of lifting your new boat? Or are you looking at buying a new lift and trying to determine which size you need? If the the former, then I'd imagine a lift with a 10k lb capacity would be able to lift up the test boat just fine on the Grady White website that had a 9,400 lb weight to it. That weight also includes "persons, fuel, water, gear, engines & accessories", so I imagine you'd likely be able to subtract several hundred pounds for those things. So maybe around 9k lbs even or so without those things? On the other hand, I imagine that test boat likely had very little fuel onboard, probably less than 25 gallons or so, in order for it to get the best fuel economy numbers possible. With the 285 Freedom having a 214 gallon fuel tank, when it's full you could be looking at another 180-200+ gallons compared to the test boat, of which a gallon of fuel weighs 6 lbs per gallon. So, that could add another 1k+ lbs right there by itself. The test boat also didn't have items like a bow pulpit, bottom paint and so forth that are only going to add to the weight of the boat and have it go up from there. If you're considering the latter and which boat lift to buy, I definitely wouldn't spend what I imagine must be $250k-$300k+ on a boat, to then go cheap and try to save what I imagine is likely less than $5k-$10k or so with getting the cheaper/light capacity boat lift?
Yes. I already have a 10,000lb lift.
 
Yes. I already have a 10,000lb lift.

Doesn't seem like it would be an issue if the boat wasn't full of fuel and completely loaded down. That being said, I'd call up the manufacturer and see what they recommend, if anything. I think my biggest concern would be the width though, as your previous boat was an 8'6" beam and your new one is going to be a 9'6" beam? Will the old lift be wide enough for the new boat? Or can the old lift be upgraded to withstand a 12k+ lb capacity?
 
Doesn't seem like it would be an issue if the boat wasn't full of fuel and completely loaded down. That being said, I'd call up the manufacturer and see what they recommend, if anything. I think my biggest concern would be the width though, as your previous boat was an 8'6" beam and your new one is going to be a 9'6" beam? Will the old lift be wide enough for the new boat? Or can the old lift be upgraded to withstand a 12k+ lb capacity?
Yeah, we built it to be able to handle a bigger boat. There is definitely room.
 
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I don't have the exact answer... but I 100% agree with your line of thinking. Totally safe for that weight. And you likely won't even be at 9,400 all the time. But it's not like the lift is going to magically break at 10,100lbs. I have some friends with lifts and they're right at the max or even a bit over - and been that way for years. You're good - get 'er done! :)
 
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Yes.... but that wet weight is from the Grady White website, of which we can only guess the number of gallons of fuel that they had on board during that sea trial run. My guess is that they likely had the lowest amount possible in order to be able to get the best fuel economy numbers possible. I've got a copy of the performance bulletin for "my" boat combination that actually shows the amount of fuel on board when they did the sea trial run for "my" boat, of which it says that they had 60 gallons of fuel. If the same were true for the OP's boat, which his boat has a 214 gallon fuel tank, you'd be looking at roughly an additional 160 gallons of fuel. Which we all know that a gallon of gasoline is 6 lbs/gallon. So, another 1k lbs essentially, of which I could see the OP's boat, if he had a full fuel tank and was pretty loaded down with fishing/safety gear, etc... that it could be at that 10k lb figure, maybe even slightly more.
 
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I didn't see where he said he was using a test boat's weight. Based on what he's written, it sounds like he did the normal thing and calculated the weight himself. I don't make a habit of checking other people's homework :) but... let's do just a quick check of the main things...

6,500 boat
1,100 engines (est)
1,284 gas
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8,884 plus whatever else
 
I didn't see where he said he was using a test boat's weight. Based on what he's written, it sounds like he did the normal thing and calculated the weight himself. I don't make a habit of checking other people's homework :) but... let's do just a quick check of the main things...

6,500 boat
1,100 engines (est)
1,284 gas
----------
8,884 plus whatever else
Eh, I'm going to go with the wet weight of the boat on an actual scale taken from the sea trial run from the manufacturer, as opposed to adding up dry weights, other numbers, guessing at certain things and so forth. On their website, GW has a figure of just under 9,400 lbs for the 285 Freedom "including persons, fuel, water, gear, engines & accessories." So, you can likely subtract 300-400 lbs for "persons" in that equation, but how many gallons of fuel do they have on board? What kind of gear, accessories and so forth as well? How much does all of the gear weigh? The boat in question also doesn't have a bow pulpit or bottom paint, both of which are also going to add weight to the boat. As mentioned above several different times now, if GW only used say 50-60 gallons of fuel in their test and that's where they're getting their weight figure from, the OP's boat has a total fuel tank capacity of 214 gallons, or an extra 160-170 gallons of fuel, at 6 lbs per gallon. If we're saying 9k lbs for the boat without persons on board, those extra 160-170 gallons of fuel alone are going to be an extra 1k lbs of added weight, putting the boat at over 10k lbs. That likely also doesn't include coolers, ice, bait tanks for fishing, other fishing gear, etc... which is only going to increase the amount of total weight. If the OP is going out fishing, has a considerable amount of extra gear on board, food/ice/drinks and so forth, I could definitely see his boat potentially being over 10k+ lbs... maybe even closer to 10.5k lbs depending...?

 
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Yes.... but that wet weight is from the Grady White website, of which we can only guess the number of gallons of fuel that they had on board during that sea trial run. My guess is that they likely had the lowest amount possible in order to be able to get the best fuel economy numbers possible. I've got a copy of the performance bulletin for "my" boat combination that actually shows the amount of fuel on board when they did the sea trial run for "my" boat, of which it says that they had 60 gallons of fuel. If the same were true for the OP's boat, which his boat has a 214 gallon fuel tank, you'd be looking at roughly an additional 160 gallons of fuel. Which we all know that a gallon of gasoline is 6 lbs/gallon. So, another 1k lbs essentially, of which I could see the OP's boat, if he had a full fuel tank and was pretty loaded down with fishing/safety gear, etc... that it could be at that 10k lb figure, maybe even slightly more.
Yeah the wet weight says it includes gas, engines, gear, and people. Don't know how many people, how much fuel, or what "gear" they had on board. Seems like this is a number that should be an industry standard, and none of this "gear and people" stuff. Fill the fuel and water tank and then weigh it. No extra gear or people. Knowing the specific weight is kind of important for those of us with lifts.

I sent an email to Grady to see if I could get a more specific answer. They have always been good at responding to questions.
 
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I didn't see where he said he was using a test boat's weight. Based on what he's written, it sounds like he did the normal thing and calculated the weight himself. I don't make a habit of checking other people's homework :) but... let's do just a quick check of the main things...

6,500 boat
1,100 engines (est)
1,284 gas
----------
8,884 plus whatever else
Yes, I did that and then saw the 9300 number and figured the actual number is somewhere in between. Plus, I'm pretty sure this is how Grady came up with the 9300 number. I doubt they loaded it up and then actually weighed it. I don't bring hundreds of pounds of gear with me on a day trip. Usually just a cooler and a bag of towels. And I don't load up a bunch of people while its on the lift. And if I have to, I can manage the fuel weight situation by not filling the tank completely. 100 gallons is plenty for about 90% of the boating I do.

Regardless, my dock guy is getting me an estimate on a 12K lift. Will probably just go ahead and upgrade and not have to worry about it.
 
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I don't have the exact answer... but I 100% agree with your line of thinking. Totally safe for that weight. And you likely won't even be at 9,400 all the time. But it's not like the lift is going to magically break at 10,100lbs. I have some friends with lifts and they're right at the max or even a bit over - and been that way for years. You're good - get 'er done! :)
Yeah, I figure if its rated for 10K, it's probably just fine up to 11-12K.
 
Obviously it's something that is 100% your call - but based on the numbers and how a lift is actually used, I wouldn't sweat it one bit. There doesn't seem to be a reason to think that you're not within specs for the lift.

I WOULD factor in a full tank of gas, though - but even with that, you're still under the limit (and, yeah, there's a margin of error built into those things) and, as you said, you can manage those couple times when you have a bunch of people.

I wouldn't worry about calling Grady - numbers are numbers are numbers and easy enough to figure out. And, yes, it's not like GW weighs the boat "wet". The numbers I posted above are solid - you're well over 1,000lbs UNDER the stated capacity (before factoring in any margin of error) - that's A LOT of gear needed to use up that 1,000+lbs.